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Reaction from the team

on May 13th, 2010, by ali

All drawers of the render farm have been filled and the teaser has been revealed.
A day before the release of the teaser, I asked the team to react to the comments made on the stills rendered and posted earlier by Soenke.

Ali Boubred

94 Responses to “Reaction from the team”

  1. Gonzalo Says:

    Take a shower, sleep a bit and keep going! Awesome work besides their constraints. Nothing to say you don´t know, just a big thanks you for all your hard efforts to make this movie and test this version of Blender! I think the most epic thing in the movie is the team! respect!

  2. speaker_mute Says:

    Nathan you are my hero, please teachme rigging ,….. and from the last post, with the critiques just take the good ones and be aware for the badones, By the way no one did an OPEN MOVIE like this before and this kind of projects bring us the oportunity to improve, learn and the most important thing to contribute to make blender a better choice for 3d.

    well Ton is my hero too. ok ok all of you are. And like Walt Disney says once,
    KEEP MOVING FORWARD

  3. MartianR Says:

    If I had a load of heads peering over my shoulder, offering ‘helpful’ comments, mid-project, I would be terminally pissed-off and would say so in best paint-stripping anglo-saxon, so I can only stand in awe at your level of tolerance. My view, for what it is worth, is make the movie you want to make in the way that you want to make it and focus on your own enjoyment of it, and leave the comments to the community armchairs when you all go for a well-deserved beer at the end. Just wishing you all the best.

  4. matt Says:

    … to repeat what I posted on YouTube

    Great point by Ton at the end 17,000 images at that quality is a hell of a big job and you guys are doing magnificently. Pretty much any project you do could be improved upon with unlimited resources but thats just not something any of us have in the real world. Keep up the amazing work!

    I have just downloaded the trailer in 1080p and watched it on my 24 inch monitor 2 words for you
    Awesome!
    Epic!

  5. Peaved Says:

    Team Durian your work is brilliant, the trailer is awesome, excellent work.

    Never take to heart any comment posted here or in the forums, people fine it so easy for people to make remarks from the safety and anonymity of their keyboard’s, while hiding behind computer screens. Most of your harshest critics would have never produced anything near to the quality of this production or even those screenshots.

    As for the screen shots, they are from a single frame, 29 of these frames will scream past there eye’s per second, no one would ever notice the minor issues.

    Who cares is the hair is a little thick or the eyebrows are the wrong colour(they are fine btw), Its insignificant. The end product will be brilliant in the eye of the general public, who will be so engrossed in the share brilliance of your movie to ever notice such minor CG issues.

    You have to know some of the blender artist forum crowd are so pathetic now, that they badgered a 13yo boy for even daring to ask for a little free help. And this not the first time, its was almost criminal. http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=186573

    If this is the type of person you wish to impress you might as well quit now, they will never be happy(unless they’re being paid).

    Keep up the awesome work team, ignore the critics, keep having fun.

  6. Cathy & India Says:

    Critics be damned! I’m gobsmacked by it – love love love it. Amazing effort! Much love, Cathy & India xxxxx

  7. Arindam Says:

    Blender Foundation is creating wonders after wonder. With such limited resources creating a world class animation short is no easy task. You guys are away ahead of our expectations. So, cheers! 🙂

    On a brighter note, please refer a comment posted on blendernation.com by Tobias Dn. http://www.blendernation.com/durian-reaction-from-the-team

    S/he made a wonderful analysis of all the comments posted here.

  8. max Says:

    I think what you say is right, but be positive please, I think you are a team and as a team you can understand the “level” of critics, some critics are very stupid!

    So, dont worry and continue with your excelent work 🙂

  9. Nixon Says:

    Think we deserved a lil feedback/spanking on our sometimes maybe not very objective criticism…I think people are so hyped with this that they tend to take this over, telling the team what they think should do….
    But anyhow as we can see it everyone is doing a helluva job, especially in this extraordinary case of an open movie where things have a tight schedule, a limited budget and a small number of people….
    Even better we are able to look into the production and have the chance comment on the stuff we see. For most other movies this isn’t even an option so in the end its ‘take it or leave it’…
    Anyway we love the Durian Team aswell, from artists to coders and to the dog the mimes the dragon. You are all doing absolutely great and blender 2.5 is getting hotter each day!!!
    I wish this project would go on forever since this is a great time for the fans on the net…might be living hell for the team tho, so its good that this is going for completion these days!
    Best regards, keep up the good work, really appreciate what is done for the community!

  10. jdcooke2010 Says:

    Art From Adversity….

    From the video, it looks like these kids have spent the past few months in a submarine being beaten over the head by hot, dry flounders…

    I’m reminded of the making of the movie Star Wars, in which there were many challenges, criticisms and opponents and the final product was a film with many, many technical flaws – but, Star Wars changed the motion picture landscape and inspired more young film-makers than any other film I can think of.

    Sure, you can comb through Star Wars and criticize and “nit-pick” from now the end of time, but, I tell you this, if you so much as change ONE hair of it, I’ll beat your a$$ to a pulp. Why? Because, despite it’s flaws, it’s p3rfect.

    You inspire me
    Joseph

  11. MikeB Says:

    People.

    This is an open movie. Any shots you want to fix after the movie is done YOU CAN fix and be a hero too. These guys are nothing short of hero’s that are pushing the craft of animation for independents.

    As an animator I can see huge benefit for the community to learn and improve and grow. I for one have have picked out a shot from the trailer that I would like to polish and grow my skills in doing so. People need to realize that this is such an amazing opportunity for EVERYONE so please keep that in mind.

    You guys are inspirational, thank you so much for sharing your work with the world.

    Mike B,

    North Vancouver, Canada

  12. Luya Tshimbalanga Says:

    Keep a good work, team. As a designer myself, I fully support your effort to display what open movie is all about. I am glad to contribute to that project even though my schedule is tight to actively participate to the development. What your team did will all impact future generation especially those who are living in developing countries.

    Sincerely,

    Luya Tshimbalanga
    Fedora Project Contributor
    Coolest Storm Design founder
    Vancouver, Canada

  13. Per-Erik Says:

    I really enjoyed the trailer, the music was superb and the animation really nice. I am amazed too see what can be done using blender and free software tools.

    I am also very happy that I participated in the funding of the release of the blender source a few years back and can’t believe how much progress the software has done!

    Keep up the good work team!

    Regards from Sweden / Per-Erik

  14. crazychristina Says:

    Personally I think comments on blog posts should be disabled. You are keeping the community informed of progress. Excellent. But what purpose do comments serve? You know the shortcomings already and positive comments, while nice to get, aren’t going to make any difference in the long run. Anyway, loved the trailer, looking forward to the final product.

  15. Giovanni Lanfiuti Says:

    I can’t see you so stressed…. I feel bad myself… Go on, get finished that amazing brilliant work.. But relax! Have a rest! Take all the time you need!

  16. blendercomp Says:

    Hi Durian team,
    the criticism may be harsh but please note that (a) some of it is to a certain extent justified and (b) we all mean well. Look at this from this point of view: your *amazing* wokr guys has nurtured so high expectations that in all likelihood they won’t be matched by anything you produce! 🙂

    If there’s time, it’s certainly worth it to look at some issues. If not, oh well, we still have so many Blender developments because of the film.

    Go durian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Chris Schultz Says:

    Hello,
    The first thing that I would like to say is that I have been very impressed by the effort and work that you all have been putting into this latest open move project. I am excitedly looking forward to it’s release. Thus far I have seen only progress. Yes there have been glitches and things, but I don’t seen them as problems. I think that a problem would be lack of progress or a reverse of progress. I trust you guys to do your best (and have been rewarded with that).

    I guess I should apologize for not telling you guys this earlier. I know how criticism can be (whether it is true or not), so I should have submitted a comment or two about how cool it was to see those renders. I have greatly enjoyed watching the blog and the progress on Sintel. Thank you for the blood, sweat, and tears that you have put, and will still put into the project.

    In support of Blender and the Durian Team,
    Chris Schultz

  18. dagobert Says:

    Well i found the trailer quite impressive. I ve seen some cg movies that are not so good. I thinks in a movie the most important thing is the story then the game play. Do not start to focuse on the number of hair of sintel. when i will look at this movie i don t want to see it as the movie that let blender use the first 100000000 billion polygons cube or 30000000000 hair in the nose of the chaman… I want to see a real movie. Not a movie for geeks. Take the crits to spot on some things that you may be miss and that are simple to fix. but do not take it for yourselves personnaly. Go bowlings! And get more girls in your team! or shaves,there is to many hair in your studio !

  19. Michael Says:

    17000 graphics that’s only like 9 and a half min. and you are going for 12 mins. quality vs amount. makes me wonder how pixar does it… why not ask? I wonder if they would even help in some way? That would be cool.

  20. Michael Says:

    17000 graphics that’s only like 9 and a half min. and you are going for 12 mins. quality vs amount. makes me wonder how pixar does it… why not ask? I wonder if they would even help in some way? That would be cool.

    Pixar Animation Studios
    1200 Park Avenue
    Emeryville, California 94608
    Telephone: 510 922-3000
    Facsimile: 510 922-3151

  21. creek23 Says:

    +1 to RockyMtnMesh’s comment:
    http://durian.blender.org/news/reaction-from-the-team/#comment-10961

  22. Heho Says:

    Hey there, there may be problems but always remember: You are the head of the community. You are the best of the best. Don’t let you get down.
    Just to mention it: The Trailer was awesome…

  23. nawabz Says:

    hay guys, i have one thing to say:

    “who said durian is a nice fruit to begin with, smelling like Hell then tasting like Heaven”

    nawabz

  24. Ali Says:

    Thanks to everybody for watching and commenting on this little clip.
    As Nathan mentionned, I put this video online, not the team, and I feel I should clarify and put the things back in context.
    As shown in the video, I focused my question on the criticisms on the hair, lighting etc… in response to the post of Soenke.
    Of course it is meant as an answer to these criticisms, but not in the way that there are too much of them. I wanted to show that the team is aware of the imperfections and unfortunately won’t have the time to fix everything. Every production know this kind of problem, and the Durian team is no exception.
    Keep in mind that this clip was filmed a day before the trailer was revealed, the team is not sad and demoralised, but nervous about the release.

  25. Ross Says:

    Jeez, judging by the reactions in this video it seems like the trailer was universally panned. I was hard-pressed to find one negative comment on the trailer amidst the sea of positive ones. From my observations, The majority of the blender community was amazed by the trailer. I watched it four times myself. Stop worrying so much of what the vocal minority of jerkwads have to say about you- Sintel is amazing, so hurry up and finish it because I can’t wait to see this thing.

  26. Michael Says:

    I just remembered this google talk i watched it’s about Open Source Projects and how to handle some…interesting people. enjoy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE

  27. Axel Biernat Says:

    Guys, you work is pretty amazing.. and even if I consider the newly developed toolset it becomes much greater. The trailer already give an outlook to something we cannot wait for. So keep on going.
    Unfortunately it seems there is one thing going on within your team. Somehow you formed a “mustage gang” – well it’s funny to see, but I’ve also noticed that the director didn’t joined that gang 😉

  28. ideasman42 Says:

    With all our replies put together it sounds as if we’re complaining about being criticized. – Just wanted to say I dont think this is the case.

    I was hoping Ali would edit out my “we’re not idiots” comment but instead he put it first! ack.
    I meant that for the people who state the bleeding obvious – but there are of course very insightful criticism posted too.

    @Michael: re google vid. interesting link, started watching but have to head off to work so bookmarked for later – not sure its so relevent to the durian blog but definitely interesting with regards to Blender as an opensource project.

  29. oiaohm Says:

    ideasman42. Don’t worry. Its how we all feel when we are being criticized at times.

    Ie we are not idiots either. Yes some times we do state the bleeding obvious. Think about it how many times have you missed the bleeding obvious in real life. I still remember looking everywhere for my keys and they were in my pocket all the time. Ie the bleeding obvious place to check first.

    Yes the hard part for us is we don’t know when posting if you know about a problem or not. Its not like you state yes the hair still has issues or the like.

    Just remember both sides are running blind. So our has to try to guess what is bleeding obvious and what is not. Basically unless we are told something is still a know issue you have to presume we will guess wrong.

    Really this is the first time I know of anything being done like this. So communication issues should be expected. Including people stating what is bleeding obvious at times. Hopefully for open movies with responses we can work out some way of not telling you stuff you already know.

    Each time a blender movie has been made communication methods have got better. I hope the next one how to do it is mostly worked out so we all can assist better.

  30. mr sunshine Says:

    Hey guys, I think your shots were amazing. The people critisizing them are probally industry know-it-alls. I watched it with a half-assed passing interest (in reference toward my attention toward technical perfection) and I really didn’t see anything wrong with it. It looked really good. At the time I thought it was a preview for a new mainstream movie and didn’t know about your project until i saw the blog.

    All the biting criticism comes from industry hardasses, and the average joe watching it wouldn’t notice the vast majority of problems outside of plot. It’s kind of like fine artists speaking of a painting: “well the composition overall displays a great sense of movement, but the balance is off, and I dont like the color scheme” while the guy that bought it would say “I like it because I like green and it has triangles in it”

    The most easiest job in the world is to be a critic. It requires little to no training, and alot cynicism.

  31. Strodtbeck Says:

    Take criticism with a grain of salt especially from anyone online these days as everyone seems to now be a professional critic of. . . well, everything.

    You all know what will look great, go with what you feel and know. . .

  32. Josh Says:

    I think that the renders looked great; there were some issues, but that should be expected. Watching the progress of Sintel has gotten me into using blender and 3D in general. I’ve watched the other films using blender and im sure this one will be as good or better. On a side note, I think the blender user community will expand a great deal now with the new interface. It looks so much more professional.

  33. Michael Says:

    I thought the video was relevant to the project and, I think it would help with any open source project because, it goes over; staying on track when people become to detail focused when you need to get things finished. To remember to filter through the forums and comments of the people over seeing the project. It more or less just come to mind when I was reading some of the comments for this film and I thought I would share.

  34. Shane Newville Says:

    A lot of the little errors and details that get noticed by the animation nerds will not be noticed by the rest of the world. Staying focused on the big picture is more important. All of the content you guys have released on the project has made me jump out of my seat from excitement. It’s both inspiring and making me get sweaty just thinking about what Blender has/is becoming though it all. Keep at it.

  35. Van Fossen Says:

    Thanks for sparing the time to share what you have of your progress during the making of Sintel, as well as, of your thoughts you guys expressed in this reaction video. I have never doubted this team’s ability to turn this into an awesome production. I’ve been curious enough to stop by for a peak at your updates here now and then, ever so eager to see how Blender’s current upgrade and rebuild process influences your work in this production and vice-versa.

    I have not noticed any flaws. Then again, I have not been looking for them. I just assumed, if anything was “off,” you guys would figure it out on your own and correct it. As an artist, I understand the creative process includes going back to make changes here and there to further enhance the details. It’s mightly generous of you guys to share works in progress and to let us see what you have so far. It’s been quite educational and fascinating. Again, thank-you. I hope, some of this content (including your responses) is included as bonus features on the purchasable disks.

  36. Van Fossen Says:

    It didn’t register to me at first, but upon re-reading some Durian Team responses, I finally saw that it was not a reaction video (as given the impression through word choice at the Blender Nation post about it). Instead, a documentary by Ali. I stand corrected. But still, I wish for Sintel to be a full feature (Maybe, someday?) … followed by bonus features to include Ali’s documentary.

  37. munhu Says:

    Van Fossen, we all do wish it could be a fulll feature. It would require a tremendous amount of resources though….particularly financial, which will determine how everything flows.

    Maybe some goodwill people are out there and we could be “lucky” like “9” and get some huge donation/sponsorship.

    that would be nice….!

  38. teatime Says:

    You guys are doing great, the renders were great. Keep going I am really looking forward to the final release.

  39. Godden Says:

    Forget all other comments!

    Man, very nice job!!!

    You are doing things, not trying!!!

    Congratulations!!

  40. Dusty Says:

    Nah! this was one of those moments where lack of inflections in comments meant they could be taken the worst possible way.

    And the response from the team in this video was more than fair when put in context, but as it was out of context a bit, the comments here indicate a slight misunderstanding about what the team was trying to say. It was one of those tense moments like people being stuck together in one room for too long and needed to get something off their chest. Now we’ve all done so. GROUP HUGS!! 🙂 and everything is well again!

    The trailer is amazing and I can’t wait for more!

    As I get it, in summary from the video in this post: “We wish we had more time to do it better! But it’s still going to be great! You can’t see what we can yet, but trust us! It’s going to be awesome!” I think that’s what you were saying right?

    @Carsten You just had me falling off my chair with laughter. Well done, sorry Nathan, but it was funny! 🙂

  41. wo262 Says:

    about spanish subtitles.

    on 00:13 “¿Qué te trae a la tierra de los porteros?” “porteros” sounds like goalkeepers from football or disco doormen. “guardianes” or “celadores” or “centinelas” are better and they sound more epic!

    on 00:19 “Estoy buscando a alguien..” Use “…” ellipsis instead of “..”

    on 00:39 “Una peligrosa misión para un cazador solitario..” “cazador” and “solitario” are for male. Must be “cazadora” and “solitaria” and “…” ellipsis instead of “..”

    on 00.43 “He estado solo desde que tengo memoria..” The same. Use “sola” instead of “solo” and “…” ellipsis instead of “..”

  42. 51 CTO Says:

    Think we deserved a lil feedback/spanking on our sometimes maybe not very objective criticism…I think people are so hyped with this that they tend to take this over, telling the team what they think should do….But anyhow as we can see it everyone is doing a helluva job, especially in this extraordinary case of an open movie where things have a tight schedule, a limited budget and a small number of people….Even better we are able to look into the production and have the chance comment on the stuff we see. For most other movies this isn’t even an option so in the end its ‘take it or leave it’…Anyway we love the Durian Team aswell, from artists to coders and to the dog the mimes the dragon. You are all doing absolutely great and blender 2.5 is getting hotter each day!!!I wish this project would go on forever since this is a great time for the fans on the net…might be living hell for the team tho, so its good that this is going for completion these days!Best regards, keep up the good work, really appreciate what is done for the community!
    +1

  43. Limvot Says:

    You guys are awesome. Sorry, I really don’t have the time to make a huge encouraging post like some of the other commenters here, but just keep on keeping on. The movie will be great, don’t even worry about it. Each of you just do your best, and it will become a great reflection of that.

    P.S. I love Ton’s bit at the end. “Making one graphic is easy… But try to make seventeen thousand? Ahh!” Priceless.

  44. Shawn Kearney Says:

    I am honestly more troubled that the team cannot accept criticism than any technical issues with the film and shows a degree of unprofessionalism.

    Fix what you can, make the best film possible and stop making excuses!